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the. >> thank you, senator. >> the fiscal cliff isn't the only looming deadline. geithner is warning the nation will hit their debt ceiling on new year's eve. how will it impact your wallet? we are joined by rich edson. nice to see you. what will it mean for everyone? >> if you are borrowing money that could be problem matt ag. analysts say if we surpass the debt ceiling, and the pressurery department can do accounting and buy us a little more time, about $200 billion more time. but if we do surpass that point, interest rates would go up if you are looking to borrow money. money invested in the stock market, analysts predict worldwide markets would have major problems. if you get payments from the government in any form, whether paidfy the government, whether your job is involve in the government or if you get social security checks, if you get veterans benefits, if your government pace your healthcare, all of that could be at risk if there's not enough money or borrowing authority to pay the bills. >> you mentioned the word extraordinary circumstances. what a nic
the. >> thank you, senator. >> the fiscal cliff isn't the only looming deadline. geithner is warning the nation will hit their debt ceiling on new year's eve. how will it impact your wallet? we are joined by rich edson. nice to see you. what will it mean for everyone? >> if you are borrowing money that could be problem matt ag. analysts say if we surpass the debt ceiling, and the pressurery department can do accounting and buy us a little more time, about $200 billion more...
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cliff, but is that optimism justified even if the senate can can come together and craft a deal? a very big if at this point and what are the chances that house speaker john boehner can get members of his congress to go along with the deal. joining me now perry bacon and lynn sweet. i want to start with you because i read something that you wrote an article recently in which you said basically that the rumors of the tea party's demise have been greatly exaggerated noting their key role in refusing to go along with john boehner's tax plan to raise taxes on those making more than $1 million a year. the fiscal cliff debate has illustrated then during influence of the tea party and the power of the conservative party. boehner can't guarantee that his members won't face primary challenges from the right so there's little surprise they won't follow his lead. >> mcconnell's not going agree to something that all other republicans are opposed to because he's a republican, too, and he has to worry about a primary, potentially, as well. the core of this is a lot of people are asking why won
cliff, but is that optimism justified even if the senate can can come together and craft a deal? a very big if at this point and what are the chances that house speaker john boehner can get members of his congress to go along with the deal. joining me now perry bacon and lynn sweet. i want to start with you because i read something that you wrote an article recently in which you said basically that the rumors of the tea party's demise have been greatly exaggerated noting their key role in...
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unless something drastic changes in the next five hours, america will be going over the fiscal cliff. we do know that after intense negotiations between senate minority leaders, let me show you the highlights. $600 billion in revenue will be raised over the next decade through a series of raises on taxes for the wealthiest americans. and those rates would also carry over for couples making under 450,000. any income above those two numbers would be taxed at 39.6 pnt. the top tax rate under president clinton. and capital gains taxes above those amounts would be increased to 20%, that is up from 15%. this tax deal would also create a perm naanent fix for the alternative minimum tax and extend unemployment insurance for 2 million americans. the president made it clear what his top priority is in any deal. >> preventing that tax hike has been my top priority. because the last thing folks like the folks up here on the stage can afford right now is to pay an extra $2,000 in taxes next year. middle class families can't afford it. businesses can't afford it. our economy can't afford it. >> jus
unless something drastic changes in the next five hours, america will be going over the fiscal cliff. we do know that after intense negotiations between senate minority leaders, let me show you the highlights. $600 billion in revenue will be raised over the next decade through a series of raises on taxes for the wealthiest americans. and those rates would also carry over for couples making under 450,000. any income above those two numbers would be taxed at 39.6 pnt. the top tax rate under...
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next on "washington journal," we continue the conversation on the fiscal cliff followed by a
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private democratic caucus meeting shortly to discuss maybe a potential deal on the fiscal cliff. of course you are on the finance and commerce committees. what do you think can happen at this late stage? are there -- we were talking before and we had a panelist on earlier, mike leonard dyson, saying he doesn't think 400,000 or 500,000 as a cutoff is a good idea. the president previously said he doesn't want to work on tax necessary that way. that's one thing that has been floated. what do you think will happen? can and are we going to see any kind of deal? >> i think in the next couple of hours will be a critical time period because both parties are having their afternoon meetings and then leadership will go down to the white house and i would just encourage everybody to still put things on the table. even if it is a smaller package. i would certainly take, you know, a half a loaf at this point in time and dash punt the rest until we get to major tax reform and come up with the rest of the savings. i would do that because i think giving people predictability and certainty in the
private democratic caucus meeting shortly to discuss maybe a potential deal on the fiscal cliff. of course you are on the finance and commerce committees. what do you think can happen at this late stage? are there -- we were talking before and we had a panelist on earlier, mike leonard dyson, saying he doesn't think 400,000 or 500,000 as a cutoff is a good idea. the president previously said he doesn't want to work on tax necessary that way. that's one thing that has been floated. what do you...
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and the president. >> the president is cutting his hawaii vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. >> really, it's kind of like falling down stairs. we have a dysfunctional congress. >> speaker boehner needs to bring his party along. >> it's pretty clear that he could not bring them along. >> john boehner doesn't seem to have full control of his caucus. >> they were this close. >> the republicans will be blamed. >> they were this close to a solution. >> we're going to head over that cliff. >> i know it's hard for the republicans. the minute those leaders move forward, they get viscerated. >> guns shouldn't be available for anyone, any time, anywhere. >> the conversation still wages on. >> its plan to add more guns to schools. >> a completely dumb-ass idea. >> i don't think the nra is listening. >> you can call it whatever you want to call it. >> congress hasn't confirmed the director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. >> dysfunctional, dysfunctional, dysfunctional congress. >> we're not going to allow what has happened in the past to go on. >> congress has just three
and the president. >> the president is cutting his hawaii vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. >> really, it's kind of like falling down stairs. we have a dysfunctional congress. >> speaker boehner needs to bring his party along. >> it's pretty clear that he could not bring them along. >> john boehner doesn't seem to have full control of his caucus. >> they were this close. >> the republicans will be blamed. >> they were this close to a...
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what happens if that -- are we going off the fiscal cliff? >> well, you know, i don't know. that'll be a decision for the senate. but quite frankly, the senate had in its power for over six months to do what they did at the stroke of midnight last night and that is amend a house bill and send it back to us. i think it's a little unreasonable for senator reid to say that something that they produced on new year's eve produced by a bunch of sleep deprived people is what we should adopt within 40 hours. >> cantor obviously you said is against the bill as it stands. boehner reserved judgment, did not say public opinion. boehner can't go over cantor on this one. he needs cantor to back him up on any final deal, right? >> what they're attempting to craft is something to get to 218 votes which has been an elusive target in this 112th congress. but i sensed that if they came up with something that was responsible and reasonable and laid down the marker on spending that we'll be there with the spooeker. >> going forward, do you think -- how many folks in your conference would support
what happens if that -- are we going off the fiscal cliff? >> well, you know, i don't know. that'll be a decision for the senate. but quite frankly, the senate had in its power for over six months to do what they did at the stroke of midnight last night and that is amend a house bill and send it back to us. i think it's a little unreasonable for senator reid to say that something that they produced on new year's eve produced by a bunch of sleep deprived people is what we should adopt...
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have come up with a brplan to deal wh the fiscal cliff. senate democrats out of a immediating with joe biden indicate there is a strong democratic support for the plan. it is not clear if we will see a vote in the senate tonight. the house remain as juniored until noon tomorrow. no matter what, the nation will go off the cliff in a few minutes, at mid might eastern, at least temporarily. nancy pelosi released a statement, just a short time ago, saying in part "when a final agreement is reached and passed by the senate, i will present it to the house democratic caucus." for republican reaction, let's bring in political analyst and former chair of the rnc, michael steele, happy almost new year. >> happy almost new year, milissa. did you ever think this is what we would be doing tonight? >> i did not. but in all fairness, we could have guessed it. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is, you know, typical washington, wait until the last minute. i'm wondering why we're doing this on new year's over, but a deal is a deal. in many respects, you
have come up with a brplan to deal wh the fiscal cliff. senate democrats out of a immediating with joe biden indicate there is a strong democratic support for the plan. it is not clear if we will see a vote in the senate tonight. the house remain as juniored until noon tomorrow. no matter what, the nation will go off the cliff in a few minutes, at mid might eastern, at least temporarily. nancy pelosi released a statement, just a short time ago, saying in part "when a final agreement is...
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the president has called on him to address the fiscal cliff. he is upset because we all know in july this year we passed an intra this tenant americans. that passes the senate. we know the republicans have. themselves and roadblocks and everything we tested to a round here. how does're saying, the american people react to that? >> we move to plan b, the debacle of all debacle's. the mother of all debacle's. that was brought up and an effort to send us something. he cannot even pass set among republicans it was so absurd. is there ever clearer, the speaker's no. 1 goal is to be elected on and take your third it. the house is not even here. >> they do not even have enough leadership here to talk to but it. the have done it with, but calls. spread across all and run the country because obama was elected of a surplus of 30 million votes, he won the election. he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker cannot take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that will prevent us from zero going -- it going over the cliff. was
the president has called on him to address the fiscal cliff. he is upset because we all know in july this year we passed an intra this tenant americans. that passes the senate. we know the republicans have. themselves and roadblocks and everything we tested to a round here. how does're saying, the american people react to that? >> we move to plan b, the debacle of all debacle's. the mother of all debacle's. that was brought up and an effort to send us something. he cannot even pass set...
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they passed a bill months ago to avoid this fiscal cliff. now, that bill has been come meetly ignored by -- completely ignored by senate democrats and by the president. number five the worse part of all there is nothing here that the president is proprosing that deals with the real clear present danger that america now faces. reckless borrowing, reckless spending generational theft that brings america to the point of bankruptcy. the president has given the country over $6 trillion in new debt. trillion dollars deficits as far as the eye can see and all he wants to fight for is higher taxes that will fund a mere 8 and a half days of government. frankly nothing but a pathetic disgrace. you the american people deserve a government that lives within its means. you deserve a government that is not obsessed with using your money to accumulate their power. it is time for americans to understand the simple truth of what is going on here. a truth by the way that an abusively biased news media just ignores. joining us now with reaction as america is o
they passed a bill months ago to avoid this fiscal cliff. now, that bill has been come meetly ignored by -- completely ignored by senate democrats and by the president. number five the worse part of all there is nothing here that the president is proprosing that deals with the real clear present danger that america now faces. reckless borrowing, reckless spending generational theft that brings america to the point of bankruptcy. the president has given the country over $6 trillion in new debt....
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fiscal cliff. we'll have more on that tomorrow. now, back to "hardball" previously in progress. >> wealthiest americans including to a george washington university poll. 60% say yes, they should. on the question of immigration, the country is not as divided as people may think. ron, on all of these fronts, people seem to be taking a tolerant view of people in trouble and not a particularly happy view of people with money that they feel have gotten off scot-free. i think that's a generalization. >> well, indeed. it's actually one percent that doesn't represent the majority of the country. if you ask 99 mnt of the peop% they're not going to say yeah, i really hate that. i really feel sorry for those very rich people. who are going to have to pay a little bit more out of their pocket. but the fight goes on politically in washington, of course, in terms of taxes and budget and everything else. the assault on the welfare state continues. the right wing may give up on gay marriage and things like that, b
fiscal cliff. we'll have more on that tomorrow. now, back to "hardball" previously in progress. >> wealthiest americans including to a george washington university poll. 60% say yes, they should. on the question of immigration, the country is not as divided as people may think. ron, on all of these fronts, people seem to be taking a tolerant view of people in trouble and not a particularly happy view of people with money that they feel have gotten off scot-free. i think that's a...
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the fiscal cliff deal passed by the senate? will hard line conservatives make it sxwobl in back now is reid wilson and ryan grim. thank you for coming back. >> hey. >> thanks for having us. >> do you think this bill will pass the houshgs and if not will democrats preferred to make further concessions? >> i think it will pass the house eventually. this is one of those moments, though, when i think speed is probably on the side of -- or, rather, it would benefit those who want to pass this bill. the faster you're able to get something to the floor and get it through a vote, the more likely you are to attract these conservatives and liberals, by the way, who might otherwise find a reason to vote against it. if the longer they take their time to sort of talk it through and go through the bill's details moment by moment, the more you'll get pressure from the outside and pressure from groups like everybody from the progressive campaign committee on the left to the heritage action and for growth on the right. the outside influences wi
the fiscal cliff deal passed by the senate? will hard line conservatives make it sxwobl in back now is reid wilson and ryan grim. thank you for coming back. >> hey. >> thanks for having us. >> do you think this bill will pass the houshgs and if not will democrats preferred to make further concessions? >> i think it will pass the house eventually. this is one of those moments, though, when i think speed is probably on the side of -- or, rather, it would benefit those who...
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after this morning's vote on the fiscal cliff, outgoing texas senator kay bailey hutchison tweeted this at 2:43 a.m. i just cast my last vote in the u.s. senate. it has been an honor to serve in the greatest nation on theers. >>> the term fiscal cliff, i tried getting it banned, is at the top of the 38th annual list of words to be banished by lake superior state university. others on the list of unliked words? double down. plus spoiler alert. trending and guru. and a new petition has been started on the white house website calling for an end to stupid petitions. it says, white house petitions are being gamed to the point of absurdity and maybe it's time for the petition to end all petitions. meaning this one. and that's your morning dish of "scrambled politics." >>> let me get you out the door or sit on your couch to enjoy your plans for later in the day. i know last night it was freezing cold in the northern plains. painfully cold in areas like fargo, indianapolis. a lot of people probably decided to stay indoors. it's going to be that way all day. look at kansas city, denver, chicago.
after this morning's vote on the fiscal cliff, outgoing texas senator kay bailey hutchison tweeted this at 2:43 a.m. i just cast my last vote in the u.s. senate. it has been an honor to serve in the greatest nation on theers. >>> the term fiscal cliff, i tried getting it banned, is at the top of the 38th annual list of words to be banished by lake superior state university. others on the list of unliked words? double down. plus spoiler alert. trending and guru. and a new petition has...
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just two hours into the new year, though, the senate votes in favor of a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> the yeas are 89, the nays are 8, 60-vote partial having been achieved, the bill as amended is passed. >> so, now it's all up to the house, where lawmakers will pick up the measure at 12:00 noon today. >>> meantime, in good spirits. doctors report secretary of state hillary clinton is making progress while being treated for a blood clot in her head at new york hospital. >> three, two, one! >> and ringing in 2013. close to a million people packed new york's times square to watch the ball drop and celebrate 2013. good morning, everyone. it is january 1st. welcome to this special new year's edition of "msnbc live." i'm chris jansing. >>> well, we do have a deal, but it's not a done deal just yet. a little bit after 2:00 eastern time this morning, two hours after the u.s. economy officially went over the fiscal cliff, the senate passed a deal to avert its worst effects. the bill passed easily. it was a vote of 89-8, and it set up a showdown in the house which will convene four hours fr
just two hours into the new year, though, the senate votes in favor of a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> the yeas are 89, the nays are 8, 60-vote partial having been achieved, the bill as amended is passed. >> so, now it's all up to the house, where lawmakers will pick up the measure at 12:00 noon today. >>> meantime, in good spirits. doctors report secretary of state hillary clinton is making progress while being treated for a blood clot in her head at new york...
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of the fiscal cliff. i am pleased senators from both parties are currently working to find a bipartisan solution and finally passed the chamber. if that is the type of leadership american needs, not what they saw from the president this morning. the words of the speaker of the house, john boehner. the senate and house are in today. the senate gavelled in 10 minutes ago. on their agenda today is a couple of nominations, nomination votes at 2:00 p.m. eastern. forn they will gavel iout about an hour to discuss possible solutions to the fiscal cliff. the house will come in at 2:00 p.m. eastern. they have 14 suspension bills on the agenda this afternoon. we expect them to come in at 2:00. vote's expected 6:30 eastern. we will have live coverage on c- span. representative ron paul, former republican candidate, wraps up 24 years in the u.s. house. the baltic and look next at his farewell speech -- we will take alook nexxt at his farewell speech. >> my goals in 1976 were the same as they are today, promote peace
of the fiscal cliff. i am pleased senators from both parties are currently working to find a bipartisan solution and finally passed the chamber. if that is the type of leadership american needs, not what they saw from the president this morning. the words of the speaker of the house, john boehner. the senate and house are in today. the senate gavelled in 10 minutes ago. on their agenda today is a couple of nominations, nomination votes at 2:00 p.m. eastern. forn they will gavel iout about an...
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the house of representatives is reconvening to consider the fiscal cliff deal. overwhelmingly approved by the senate in the wee hours of this new year. republicans meet at 1:00. the democrats are said to be going in now and that vice president joe biden who, of course, was key in making the senate deal happen, will be in that caucus, we're told. big questions, though, still outstanding. when might the house vote on this deal? can speaker boehner come up with the votes to pass it? or will republicans try to amend it and end send it back. good day. happy new year. i'm chris jansing. there are a lot of moving parts on capitol hill. let's get right to nbc's luke russert who is on the hill and where things stand. first, let's listen into the start of this session. >> the speakers are in washington d.c., january 1, 2013. i hereby hereby appoint the honorable robert j. dole to act as speaker in temporary on this day, signed john a. boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. >> the prayer will be offered by our chaplain father conroy. >> let us pray. eternal god,
the house of representatives is reconvening to consider the fiscal cliff deal. overwhelmingly approved by the senate in the wee hours of this new year. republicans meet at 1:00. the democrats are said to be going in now and that vice president joe biden who, of course, was key in making the senate deal happen, will be in that caucus, we're told. big questions, though, still outstanding. when might the house vote on this deal? can speaker boehner come up with the votes to pass it? or will...
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the prospect of reaching a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff before january 1st a very unlikely. that's putting it lightly. let's watch. >> there's 435 members of the house. of what goes on in this country shouldn't be decided by the majority. it should be decided by the whole house of representatives. the speaker just has a few days left to change his mind, but i have to be very honest, mr. president, i don't know timewise how it can happen now. >> well, that was plain. this afternoon senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said he wasn't willing to offer the white house a blank check just because we're on the edge of the cliff. take a look. >> last night i told the president we'd be happy to look at whatever he proposes, but the truth is we're coming up against a hard deadline here and as i said, this is a conversation we should have had months ago. and republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> well, actually it's not a blank check the president has been pushing. and this
the prospect of reaching a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff before january 1st a very unlikely. that's putting it lightly. let's watch. >> there's 435 members of the house. of what goes on in this country shouldn't be decided by the majority. it should be decided by the whole house of representatives. the speaker just has a few days left to change his mind, but i have to be very honest, mr. president, i don't know timewise how it can happen now. >> well, that was plain. this afternoon...
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we expect them to take up that new senate fiscal cliff bill that was passed in the wee hours of the morning. but a lot of democrats and republicans are kind of holding their noses this morning. >> it does not address the number one priority, creating good middle class jobs now. >> i don't love it, but i think it is a very good job of negotiating where there are some wins and some losses, and it's about even. >> it's not even a small ball, it's a ping pong ball of a proposal. so, i think it's awful. >> let's bring in jonathan clicho, communications director of "american crossroads," also democratic strategist richard goodstein. happy new year, guys. good morning. >> same to you, chris. >> happy new year, chris. >> what do you think of this deal? >> look, having everybody on both sides belly ache about it is going to be the name of the game for a couple reasons. one, we have a divided government. people shouldn't kid themselves when the republicans are controlling the house, democrats control the senate and the white house. this is going to be the new normal, and it has been. we've seen anyth
we expect them to take up that new senate fiscal cliff bill that was passed in the wee hours of the morning. but a lot of democrats and republicans are kind of holding their noses this morning. >> it does not address the number one priority, creating good middle class jobs now. >> i don't love it, but i think it is a very good job of negotiating where there are some wins and some losses, and it's about even. >> it's not even a small ball, it's a ping pong ball of a proposal....
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the house had two bills that collectively can avert the entire fiscal cliff if enacted. those bills await action by the senate. >> the classic ping pong gridlock and no way out. >> it's important to know how far we have come in the last seven days. a week ago we were closer than we had seen before on a particular deal. john boehner made a big concession allowing tax cuts to rise on income over a million dollars. president obama countered with a big concession and saying that that should be $400,000 and have fixes to social security on costs of living adjustments on that. what ended up happening? john boehner retreated their plan b that mike viquiera was talking about that was unable to pass and now we are in the stalemate we are in now. we were closer than before. >> you touch on a good point. that's lost now in the media. we are going-over the cliff. last week they are $450 billion away from a deal. that's less than 1% of the federal spending over the next decade. in d.c. terms, 400 billion seems like a lot. that's a drop in the bucket in d.c. terms. it's amazing that s
the house had two bills that collectively can avert the entire fiscal cliff if enacted. those bills await action by the senate. >> the classic ping pong gridlock and no way out. >> it's important to know how far we have come in the last seven days. a week ago we were closer than we had seen before on a particular deal. john boehner made a big concession allowing tax cuts to rise on income over a million dollars. president obama countered with a big concession and saying that that...
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. >> senator, there's a lot of talk about the fiscal cliff shifting to the senate. that's where a solution should be worked on. what have you been heard from your leadership on that? >> well, i think that everyone is going back to the drawing boards. i had hoped that we would be able to take speaker boehner's plan b and work on that with the democrats, and then maybe come to terms before we broke for christmas. to make sure the tax increases that would occur at the end of the year won't -- and something that hasn't talked too much is it would make permanent the child tax credit, the marriage penalty relief, the amt relief, things that middle-class families need to continue. all of that will go you have if we don't do something by the end of the year. >> are you hearing from leadership it will be taken up, something does need to cobble together? >> i know our leader are trying. >>> what about vice president biden, you worked with him for 15 years. he and biden worked very well together in the fiscal negotiations last time. should you bring in biden into the conversat
. >> senator, there's a lot of talk about the fiscal cliff shifting to the senate. that's where a solution should be worked on. what have you been heard from your leadership on that? >> well, i think that everyone is going back to the drawing boards. i had hoped that we would be able to take speaker boehner's plan b and work on that with the democrats, and then maybe come to terms before we broke for christmas. to make sure the tax increases that would occur at the end of the year...
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on the fiscal cliff issue. well also understand that the vice president has just arrived on capitol hill to speak to senators who are waiting out this new year's eve night there, eating pizza on new year's eve, which will be one for the record books. nbc's miviqueira is on capitol hill. the senate carriage entrance. he is going to speak. he is now speaking to a closed door meeting of the senate democratic caucus. what is his mission here? essentially sell the deal that he has struck largely between these two men, the vice president joe biden of course in capacity the president of the senate and mitch mcconnell. they have been on the phone working things out after an impasse breakdown friday night after harry reid and mitch mcconnell essentially broke off negotiations. mcconnell at this point reached out to biden, and the upshot is what you've been reporting. the emerging details of this deal that have been trickling out all day. now, if joe biden is able to get democratic senators to sign on or at least, miliss
on the fiscal cliff issue. well also understand that the vice president has just arrived on capitol hill to speak to senators who are waiting out this new year's eve night there, eating pizza on new year's eve, which will be one for the record books. nbc's miviqueira is on capitol hill. the senate carriage entrance. he is going to speak. he is now speaking to a closed door meeting of the senate democratic caucus. what is his mission here? essentially sell the deal that he has struck largely...
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he complains that i have not delivered the votes to pass the solution to the fiscal cliff, but he is in error. we all know that in july of this year, we passed in the senate the relief that it would give to middle-class americans, that passed the senate. now, we know that the republicans have buried themselves in procedural road blocks, everything we try to do out here, and now they are saying well, we can't do the 250 because it wasn't blue slipped -- because it will be blue slipped. mr. president, how does the american people react to that? there was a bill introduced by the ranking member of the ways and means committee in the house, sandy levin, that called for this legislation. the speaker was going to bring it up to kill it but he couldn't kill it. and then we moved to albany b, b, -- plan b, the debacle of all debacles. it's the mother of all debacles. that was brought up in an effort to send us something. he couldn't even pass it among republicans, it was so absurd, he meaning the speaker. so it's very clear now, mr. president, that the speaker's number-one goal is to get ele
he complains that i have not delivered the votes to pass the solution to the fiscal cliff, but he is in error. we all know that in july of this year, we passed in the senate the relief that it would give to middle-class americans, that passed the senate. now, we know that the republicans have buried themselves in procedural road blocks, everything we try to do out here, and now they are saying well, we can't do the 250 because it wasn't blue slipped -- because it will be blue slipped. mr....
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cliff in sight. the president is cutting his vacation short, but the house is still in recess with no immediate plans to return. the ball is now in senate democrat's court and
cliff in sight. the president is cutting his vacation short, but the house is still in recess with no immediate plans to return. the ball is now in senate democrat's court and
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senator reid and mcconnell talking about the fiscal cliff. back to your calls after we hear their comments. >> we had a constructive meeting, we hope that something will come from that. our our staffs are working to see what we can come up with. we shouldn't take a long time to do that. i think it will be in everyone's interest if we were not in session tomorrow. it is my plan to come in at 1:00, we have an hour in our previous agreement that we have. there's an hour of debate on that. we have another -- we have another vote that has been set up. >> you're talking about sunday, right? >> yeah, sunday. votes a little after 2:00 and for us we're going to have another caucus following that. and hopefully by that time we'll make a determination whether we can do something on the floor in addition in what i just talked about. i think we need that time to have everybody step back a little bit. if we come up with something it is not that easy. some of the stuff we're doing is more complicated. i think it is was a very positive meeting. there was a l
senator reid and mcconnell talking about the fiscal cliff. back to your calls after we hear their comments. >> we had a constructive meeting, we hope that something will come from that. our our staffs are working to see what we can come up with. we shouldn't take a long time to do that. i think it will be in everyone's interest if we were not in session tomorrow. it is my plan to come in at 1:00, we have an hour in our previous agreement that we have. there's an hour of debate on that. we...
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, a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff still seems to be going nowhere. without a deal, tax hikes and massive spending cuts are in effect on january 1st. so here's what senate leader harry reid had to say earlier. >> this morning we've been trying to come up with some counteroffer to my friends' proposal. we've been unable to do that. i've had a number of conversations with the president, and at this stage we're not able to make a counteroffer. >> nbc news deputy political editor dominic a montenaro join us. >> hope is not a plan, and, you know, i think both sides are still far apart. i think they, you know, say they will continue negotiating. you saw the chain cpi now game off the table but a lot of this is posturing. republicans were outraged that harry reid went to the floor today to say that chain cpi is a deal-breaker because they didn't think, you know, that that was the line in the sand for them and they were saying that harry reid is trying to, you know, just play a political -- do a political maneuver here to signal that -- that they are not goin
, a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff still seems to be going nowhere. without a deal, tax hikes and massive spending cuts are in effect on january 1st. so here's what senate leader harry reid had to say earlier. >> this morning we've been trying to come up with some counteroffer to my friends' proposal. we've been unable to do that. i've had a number of conversations with the president, and at this stage we're not able to make a counteroffer. >> nbc news deputy political editor...
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by noon on thursday and avert the fiscal cliff. obviously the holiday is over tomorrow. the markets are open. people are back to business and earning paychecks. paychecks that will be taxed at a much higher rate. >> the question is if speaker boehner will violate the rule, will he bring this bill to the floor and not have majority. >> that's still a question. >> but still get the bill passed. >> stand by. we will continue to discuss these latest developments coming out of the house and whether or not this bill coming from the senate, 89-8 will be taken up on the floor. stay with us. but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a heart attack. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
by noon on thursday and avert the fiscal cliff. obviously the holiday is over tomorrow. the markets are open. people are back to business and earning paychecks. paychecks that will be taxed at a much higher rate. >> the question is if speaker boehner will violate the rule, will he bring this bill to the floor and not have majority. >> that's still a question. >> but still get the bill passed. >> stand by. we will continue to discuss these latest developments coming out...
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deadline for a fiscal cliff deal. we'll have a live report coming your way at the top of the hour. just a few minutes from now. first, in today's office politics, alex has a conversation with lester holt. she asks him how he became to be an aviation expert for the network and the huge role music plays in his life. we'll talk about two stories of haunting images he'll never forget. >> i traveled to somalia in the '90s. to be thrust in a situation where people are starving to death. you can't be more foreign to the world we know. it was extremely dangerous. it was then and still is a land of anarchy. it was a place that anything could happen and it did. but, you know, those are some of the images i saw. the other is the earthquake in haiti. i have never seen death on quite that scale before. i mean literally arms and limbs poking from rubble. the scene that will forever remain with me there was i can't even call it a mass grave. it was a dumping ground of bodies where they simply pushed bodies in a field. it was just, c
deadline for a fiscal cliff deal. we'll have a live report coming your way at the top of the hour. just a few minutes from now. first, in today's office politics, alex has a conversation with lester holt. she asks him how he became to be an aviation expert for the network and the huge role music plays in his life. we'll talk about two stories of haunting images he'll never forget. >> i traveled to somalia in the '90s. to be thrust in a situation where people are starving to death. you...
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as for for action today in the senate, it's not going to be anything where they reached the fiscal cliff. but there's not enough agreement to have the rank and file members do anything. it is still at the top level leadership discussions. the senate is going to try to finish work on a sandy disaster aid supplemental bill which they have been trying to get done for weeks. they are hoping to finish that today and also trying to work on a foreign intelligence surveillance act authorization extension. there's enough on the floor to keep them busy. the question is whether they will have something to vote on may be on christmas eve. on sunday joe lieberman indicated we would all be working new year's eve. we will see that happens. >> online, we have a special page set up related to the so- called fiscal cliff. you could watch video of hearings and briefings. there is a live stream of comments from viewers and reporters. that is all at c-span.org cli cliff.l >> it is a great resource for anyone to know the ins and outs of capitol hill. >> julie watches c-span on verizon. brought to you as a pub
as for for action today in the senate, it's not going to be anything where they reached the fiscal cliff. but there's not enough agreement to have the rank and file members do anything. it is still at the top level leadership discussions. the senate is going to try to finish work on a sandy disaster aid supplemental bill which they have been trying to get done for weeks. they are hoping to finish that today and also trying to work on a foreign intelligence surveillance act authorization...
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and the race to fill john kerry's senate seat. first, fiscal cliff talks. countdown clock tot screen. the senate is shouldering most of the weight of that deadline. senate leaders working behind closed doors to come up with a cliff compromise, something that the house and the president has failed to do so is far. the president has tasked senator majority leader harry reed. >> i have asked senator reed to do it, put a by on the floor to make sure that taxes on middle class families do not go up. and unemployment insurance is still available for two million people and lays the groundwork for economic growth and deficit reduction. >> everything that has been happening in the last several hours has been happening behind the scenes. we have correspondents tracking everything for you. we have luke, luke, i will start with you this hour. the senate officially reconvenes tomorrow afternoon. i assume that there's a lot of closed door talks going on right now. is that true? what can you tell us? >> reporter: that is true, staff from harry reed and mitch mcconnell hav
and the race to fill john kerry's senate seat. first, fiscal cliff talks. countdown clock tot screen. the senate is shouldering most of the weight of that deadline. senate leaders working behind closed doors to come up with a cliff compromise, something that the house and the president has failed to do so is far. the president has tasked senator majority leader harry reed. >> i have asked senator reed to do it, put a by on the floor to make sure that taxes on middle class families do not...
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we're talking about the tack increases, the spending cuts that make up the fiscal cliff. president obama, he cut his christmas vacation short to deal with this crisis. he arrived back from hawaii just a short time ago, and the senate also returning to work today hoping to come up with some kind of agreement. but time is running out. jessica yellin, she has the latest from the white house. we've got dana bash following the developments on capitol hill. i want to start off with you, dana. what do we know about a possible compromise on the senate siepd what they might be proposed in fairly short order? >> compromise, i'm not so sure we'll see that. but i was told by a republican senator and democratic senator that the pr indicated before he left for hawaii that he, the president, is expected to send a piece of legislation up today with his scaled back tax plan. that's something that the president outlined in general terms on the friday before he left for hawaii and since then what we've been hearing from republicans, particularly mitch mcconnell's office is we can't talk abo
we're talking about the tack increases, the spending cuts that make up the fiscal cliff. president obama, he cut his christmas vacation short to deal with this crisis. he arrived back from hawaii just a short time ago, and the senate also returning to work today hoping to come up with some kind of agreement. but time is running out. jessica yellin, she has the latest from the white house. we've got dana bash following the developments on capitol hill. i want to start off with you, dana. what do...
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. >>> last night on the rachel maddow show, debbie stab nau talked about the looming fiscal cliff. >> i'm not sure what's next. i can tell you, the senate's here, we're in session, we had votes tonight. the president is here. i'm the eternal optimist. we can pass the farm bill that we passed last june. by cutting subsidies for wealthy farmers. so, there's a lot of things that we can do but it's going to take the speaker deciding that he wants to work across the aisle to get it done. >> you can catch the rachel maddow show right here on msbnc on 9:00. >>> retired four-star general norman schwarzkopf died thursday at his home in tampa, florida. he was 78. the hard-charging general, was most famous for leading coalition forces to victory during the first persian gulf war in 1991. under his command it took troops just six weeks to drive saddam hussein's army out of kuwait. gener schwarzkopf is survived by his wife brenda and their three children. >>> former president george h.w. bush are main street in intensive care this morning. while mr. bush's condition is serious, in an e-mail, a spo
. >>> last night on the rachel maddow show, debbie stab nau talked about the looming fiscal cliff. >> i'm not sure what's next. i can tell you, the senate's here, we're in session, we had votes tonight. the president is here. i'm the eternal optimist. we can pass the farm bill that we passed last june. by cutting subsidies for wealthy farmers. so, there's a lot of things that we can do but it's going to take the speaker deciding that he wants to work across the aisle to get it...
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the fiscal cliff votes. that could be an important vote. >> it will definitely be an important vote. the reason i brought it up is twitter being what it is, representative-elect told them, just got elected, 32-year-old combat veteran what has not taken her seat yet got an endorsement from cal penn to be the person selected to take senator inouye's seat. >> she can be an answer to a trivia question. who is a representative-elect and never served a day in office and became senator. that's incredible. some day. jonathan, thank you so much. we appreciate that. that does it for this edition of andr"andrea mitchell reports." my colleague has a look at what's next on "news nation." what do you have, my friend. it never gets old. we miss you here. >> we miss being in d.c. happy holidays. in a few hours, president obama will be leaving highway high early. he will be heading back to the fiscal cliff gridlock in d.c. house speaker john boehner has not called members back to the house in d.c. yet. just days ago he looke
the fiscal cliff votes. that could be an important vote. >> it will definitely be an important vote. the reason i brought it up is twitter being what it is, representative-elect told them, just got elected, 32-year-old combat veteran what has not taken her seat yet got an endorsement from cal penn to be the person selected to take senator inouye's seat. >> she can be an answer to a trivia question. who is a representative-elect and never served a day in office and became senator....
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. >>> the senate is scheduled to get back to work and avoid the fiscal cliff 45 minutes from now. president obama will be watching with the rest of country for a deal to be hammered out. he thinks republican leaders need to bend. >> congress has not been able to get this stuff done not because democrats in congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit and as part of an overall deficit reduction package. >> i'm joined by congresswoman barbara lee a democrat from california. good to see you. good morning. >> good to see you. glad to be with you. >> let me give you the republican perspective. it is that some indications they are willing to give on taxes whether 400 or 450,000, that yesterday they floated this idea of changing social security. they've backed off on that. they apparently are willing to give on some of these estate taxes. the democrats are willing to give on some of the estate taxes. but what the
. >>> the senate is scheduled to get back to work and avoid the fiscal cliff 45 minutes from now. president obama will be watching with the rest of country for a deal to be hammered out. he thinks republican leaders need to bend. >> congress has not been able to get this stuff done not because democrats in congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the...
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yesterday, senate leader harry reid said he didn't think the fiscal cliff could be avoided. as you can see, stocks plunged. shortly after noon, senator scott brown posted on facebook of all things that he was headed back to washington because the president had reached out to the gop leadership with a proposal. then the markets bounced up a bit. but then cnbc's john harwood tweeted the white house denied skost brown's post and markets dropped again. thanks, john, for that. then came a late day surge on news that speaker boehner called the house back to washington, and late today we learned that the white house is holding a conference call with ceos on the status of the fiscal cliff negotiations. so maybe things will change once more again tomorrow. joining me now to discuss the business ramifications and what the markets think of all this, the editor of thegrio.com and msnbc contributor joy reid. >> hey, richard. >> hi, joy. do we also have fortune magazine's assistant, yes, excellent, managing editor, leigh gallagher. thanks for joining us, too. wall street seems to have bee
yesterday, senate leader harry reid said he didn't think the fiscal cliff could be avoided. as you can see, stocks plunged. shortly after noon, senator scott brown posted on facebook of all things that he was headed back to washington because the president had reached out to the gop leadership with a proposal. then the markets bounced up a bit. but then cnbc's john harwood tweeted the white house denied skost brown's post and markets dropped again. thanks, john, for that. then came a late day...
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than ever we may be getting closer to actually going over the fiscal cliff. that is of course hanging over the heads of a lot of americans as they enter this holiday season and also looming over this vacation the president is having. i'll give you a little sense of what president obama has been up to in hawaii. on saturday he played a round of golf with some of his closest friends and advisers and later in the day he went to dinner with the first lady and friends and on saturday he attended a memorial service for the late senator daniel inouye. in the past years the president and first lady have often around christmas taken time to visit with the troops. that is something that is certainly a possibility this year and of course just spending some quality time together. >> and no doubt hitting some of their favorite eateries like the rainbow cafe and getting their kalu a pig. another big topic over the holiday weekend was gun control. wayne lapierre was offered the opportunity to soften his message during an exclusive interview with nbc's david gregory. take a
than ever we may be getting closer to actually going over the fiscal cliff. that is of course hanging over the heads of a lot of americans as they enter this holiday season and also looming over this vacation the president is having. i'll give you a little sense of what president obama has been up to in hawaii. on saturday he played a round of golf with some of his closest friends and advisers and later in the day he went to dinner with the first lady and friends and on saturday he attended a...
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. >>> meantime, the fiscal cliff stand-off in washington continues. at this late hour the senate and house of representatives both went into recess, still no deal. republican senate leader mitch mcconnell reached out to vice president joe biden to help reach an agreement. two men who have served as their party's closers, so to speak, on tough deals before. senate majority leader harry reid says he plans to have a plan up for a vote tomorrow morning. although there are serious differences on both sides. >> we're not going to have any social security cuts at this stage, it just doesn't seem appropriate. i still hold out hope we can get something done but i'm not overly optimistic but i am cautiously optimistic. >> republicans pushed back on claims by democrats that the social security benefit measurement, which is known as the chained cpi and basically would reduce the amount of money that senior citizens get under social security, was part of the republican plan. in any case, that is off the table. senator john mccain posted this on twitter, most of us
. >>> meantime, the fiscal cliff stand-off in washington continues. at this late hour the senate and house of representatives both went into recess, still no deal. republican senate leader mitch mcconnell reached out to vice president joe biden to help reach an agreement. two men who have served as their party's closers, so to speak, on tough deals before. senate majority leader harry reid says he plans to have a plan up for a vote tomorrow morning. although there are serious...
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fiscal cliff. got less than three days to go now, folks. at the same time in his weekly address today, the president says he's preparing a plan of action if no deal is reached. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up or down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job, and lays the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> republicans say they want a deal as well, but they highlighted their biggest sticking points today in their weekly address. listen now to missouri senator roy blount. >> senate democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand. the president's proposal to raise tax on the top 2% of americans won't even pay one-third of the annual interest that's now owed on this massive $16 trillion debt. in fact, the president's tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. >> the senate i
fiscal cliff. got less than three days to go now, folks. at the same time in his weekly address today, the president says he's preparing a plan of action if no deal is reached. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up or down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job, and lays the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and...
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fiscal cliff. we're going to be talking about the starbucks effort a little later in the show. good morning, ladies and gentlemen. >> good morning. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 27th. i'm mike barnicle in for joe, mika and willie. joining the table, we have political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. >> hi. >> applause for sam. "fortune's" assistant managing editor, leigh gallagher. and the president of the council on foreign relations, author of "foreign policy begins at home: the case for putting america's house in order." and in washington, vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com and msnbc political analyst, richard wolffe. a minor round of applause for richard wolffe. >> one hand clapping. >> first of all, can anybody here come up with a synonym -- i don't care what it is -- so we don't have to employ the phrase "fiscal cliff" at all during the day? any ideas? anybody got any -- >> how about deadline? >> how about do your job. how about
fiscal cliff. we're going to be talking about the starbucks effort a little later in the show. good morning, ladies and gentlemen. >> good morning. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 27th. i'm mike barnicle in for joe, mika and willie. joining the table, we have political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. >> hi. >> applause for sam. "fortune's" assistant managing editor, leigh gallagher. and the president of the...
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we're here today because there's no deal and we are hours away from the fiscal cliff. here with us now, republican senator from tennessee and member of the senate banking committee, senator bob corker. senator, thanks for being on the show. we appreciate it. >> good morning. >> robert gibbs was characterizing many republicans as 5-year-olds that will not eat their vegetables, and every time we try and get them to eat their vegetabl vegetables, they ask for a smaller and a smaller and a smaller pea and it gets down to one pea on a plate. is that fair? >> look, this whole thing's a national embarrassment. i think it's an embarrassment to the president, it's an embarrassment to both sides of the aisle and to both the house and the senate. >> how do we get out of it? >> well, first of all, i mean, whatever happens today is really inconsequential. it really doesn't matter. it's going to happen. we will have a solution, but as jeffrey was saying earlier, we still haven't moved any closer to solving our nation's problems. and so, now what will happen is this will be put off,
we're here today because there's no deal and we are hours away from the fiscal cliff. here with us now, republican senator from tennessee and member of the senate banking committee, senator bob corker. senator, thanks for being on the show. we appreciate it. >> good morning. >> robert gibbs was characterizing many republicans as 5-year-olds that will not eat their vegetables, and every time we try and get them to eat their vegetabl vegetables, they ask for a smaller and a smaller...
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the fiscal cliff negotiations. we'll be right back with "hardball." there are patients who will question, why does my mouth feel dryer than i remember it to be? there are more people taking more medication, so we see people suffering from dry mouth more so. we may see more cavities, bad breath, oral irritation. a dry mouth sufferer doesn't have to suffer. i would recommend biotene. the enzymes in biotene products help supplement enzymes that are naturally in saliva. biotene helps moisten those areas that have become dry. will not. e that are suffering can certainly benefit from biotene. >>> the rising political star of 2013, chris hayes, who will that be? >> massachusetts senator elizabeth warren i think. it's not an easy thing to do what she did. i think people -- she was a star on this network and among progressives, but to go win statewide office particularly as a woman in massachusetts, that takes some doing and i think she'll be an absolute force. >> steve, the rising star? >> it mains me a bit to say because i'm not that much of a fan but this i
the fiscal cliff negotiations. we'll be right back with "hardball." there are patients who will question, why does my mouth feel dryer than i remember it to be? there are more people taking more medication, so we see people suffering from dry mouth more so. we may see more cavities, bad breath, oral irritation. a dry mouth sufferer doesn't have to suffer. i would recommend biotene. the enzymes in biotene products help supplement enzymes that are naturally in saliva. biotene helps...
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if they can get it done tonight on the eve of of the fiscal cliff, they can actually say they were able to get it done before we went over the cliff. that they were not so deeply, deeply irresponsible that they actually let us go over the cliff, to hammer a deal out. sometimes the congress likes to make a show of working very hard at the last minute, like a college student, who procrastinated, and then finally got the paper done. this is an embarrassing show of how we legislate in this country, but they are showing that it can be responsible, get this deal done, and go home. >> in what way can you describe the tone that this has taken, primarily this evening, as of yesterday it was this big blame game going on with fingering pointing. and really over the past couple of weeks it has been a roller costar. one day, all of this bipartisan spirit, the other day there is not. how do you think this whole thing is ending up as we stand here tonight. >> it is always a good policy in washington to assume that cooperation leads to compromise. oftentimes it is not, oftentimes what leads to compromi
if they can get it done tonight on the eve of of the fiscal cliff, they can actually say they were able to get it done before we went over the cliff. that they were not so deeply, deeply irresponsible that they actually let us go over the cliff, to hammer a deal out. sometimes the congress likes to make a show of working very hard at the last minute, like a college student, who procrastinated, and then finally got the paper done. this is an embarrassing show of how we legislate in this country,...
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i don't think we will until we see a resolution to the fiscal cliff. >> we're just seeing more and more moving parts, aren't we, in the beltway? thank you both. stick around we'll get back to you in a bit. >>> senator mike crapo was arrested over the weekend. he ran a red light, then failed several sobriety tests. officers say he was cooperative and released on a boon. he quickly released a statement apologizing for the incident. >>> coming up for you, the tough road to the pentagon. former senator chuck hagel facing cry sim. and doubt from both sides of the aisle. >> i'd have to study his report. i'm not going to comment until the president make a nomination. >>> plus we're following breaking news. two firefighters shot to death, as they respond to a fire. the latest of that, coming up. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes.
i don't think we will until we see a resolution to the fiscal cliff. >> we're just seeing more and more moving parts, aren't we, in the beltway? thank you both. stick around we'll get back to you in a bit. >>> senator mike crapo was arrested over the weekend. he ran a red light, then failed several sobriety tests. officers say he was cooperative and released on a boon. he quickly released a statement apologizing for the incident. >>> coming up for you, the tough road to...
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they had a grim outlook for a fiscal cliff deal and the impact of the tragedy in newtown. on the radar this morning, chilling details in the christmas eve firefighter ambush. we could find out soon who will be saying aloha to the senate and a broken record in the house of representatives. new details out of webster, new york. william spangler set a car and house on fire and ambushed firefighters, opening fire on them as they arrive on the scene. police found a note he left behind saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and do what i like doing best, killing people. a convicted felon who spent 17 years in prison for killing his grandmother with a hammer was armed with three firearms including a bushmaster, the same gun used in the school massacre. he may have killed his sister and the home had human remains believed to be hers. >> police say spangler took his own life. governor neal abercrombie, democrats are urging a swift deployment so the replacement can on a deficit deal. of abercrombie's options, congresswoman colleen anabusha and senator inouye's dying wish is
they had a grim outlook for a fiscal cliff deal and the impact of the tragedy in newtown. on the radar this morning, chilling details in the christmas eve firefighter ambush. we could find out soon who will be saying aloha to the senate and a broken record in the house of representatives. new details out of webster, new york. william spangler set a car and house on fire and ambushed firefighters, opening fire on them as they arrive on the scene. police found a note he left behind saying he...